Thursday, March 27, 2008

Medellin v. Texas, Glyptodonts and Other Curiosities.

It is so nice that just when I am wanting to think about international law, the Supremes decide to write about the subject.

The Supreme Court decided Medellin v. Texas this week.

Two teenage girls, 14 and 16, who were trying to walk home were raped and murdered by Jose Ernesto Medellin and other members of the "Black and White" gang. As Chief Justice Roberts writes, "MedellĂ­n was personally responsible for strangling at least one of the girls with her own shoelace."

Mr. Medellin was tried in state court in Texas, convicted and sentenced to death.

The fact that brought this case to the Supreme Court: Medellin was born in Mexico, although he had lived in the United States since preschool.

This gave the Republic of Mexico an interest in the case. The "evolving sense of dignity" that allows or does not allow the death penalty has evolved further in Mexico than it has in the United States. Every so often the U.S. Supremes check in on how far our sense of dignity has evolved. Fairly recently it evolved so we no longer execute children or the retarded, but it has not yet evolved far enough to not execute anybody. We may have evolved far enough that the current form of lethal injection is not allowed, but we should not know this until later this year.

I know some of you evolutionists will be surprised that human dignity evolves at such a rapid rate in the United States. Apparently the mechanism is not an form of natural selection, but is more Lamarckian in that a desire to evolve can produce the result.

One of the first signs of the evolution of the sense of dignity in the United States was a 1910 case in which a soldier named Weems was exiled and made stateless because he went absent without leave. The Supremes then noted that this exile business may be grounded in history, but saw we had evolved. Since that time, our sense of dignity has changed. Sometimes we evolve more rapidly than others.

I don't know if our evolving sense of dignity can also lower the standards for dignity. Just as natural selection can respond to the environment to produce taller creatures, it can also select shorter creatures. Those prehistoric armadillos that used to weigh 4000 pounds are all gone, but the little horses have evolved into bigger ones. Think mouse vs. nutria.

When the Supremes talk about it, usually they have boasted that our evolving sense of dignity has evolved in favor of being more shocked at torture or different forms of death.

However, I am somewhat concerned it might evolve in the other direction. I can imagine the Chief Justice reporting, "We know waterboarding was once considered cruel and unusual punishment in the United States. However, our sense of dignity has now evolved as a result of years of everybody being scared to death by the talk of terrorism. Therefore, although this was once cruel and unusual punishment, it is not any more. We will check back in a few years on whether being drawn and quartered and shoving bamboo under the fingernails are cruel or unusual."

Mexico and the United States have entered into some treaties. Each country apparently desires to protect its citizens from the barbarity of the other's legal system. The United States had captured 51 Mexicans, including Medellin, who we want to kill. Mexico went to the international court in the Hague and said, hey, we had a deal cut in Vienna, you are supposed to notify us when you arrest Mexicans so we can help them out.

The Supremes this week say, as far as I can understand, "Sure, we signed on to that treaty and we agree to the jurisdiction of the international court. The International Court of Justice can tell us when we are acting illegally, they just can't make us do anything about it. If Texas courts don't want to follow this ruling, they don't have to. And just because President Bush says they should have to follow it, they still don't have to. So there."

6 comments:

Unknown said...

I'm glad to read you agree with Bush on this. Great minds think alike.

Feed em Fish Heads.

StapletonAndStapleton said...

Dear Idm,

My hope would be that President Bush will come to agree with me on many things.

The Merovingian said...

I would say that just about summed up the situation. You and I disagree on the death penalty. We could debate it forever and not change each others perception.

On the point of the Supreme court review, I feel they should have tackled the 'Supreme Law of the Land' issues inherent in the treaty provisions. I did not read the original petition, but I would imagine that the issue was more than implied. I, for one, would like to know with some assurance where the present court stands on treaties. Lately (last 30 yrs) we have seen a bit of a flood of them and I am more than curious as to how many worms are contained in those cans.

M.

BobbyWC said...

Soon there will come a day when a Mexican police chief uses waterboarding to secure a confession from an US American for a murder he did not commit. he will be denied access to the the consulate. MSNBC will do some show on it and the US Americans will be outraged.

Yep - that is how it is.

Anonymous said...

Treaties? We don’t need no stinkin treaties. You commit crimes in our country you pay according to our laws, so therefore we demand you send that dumbass “Dog” Chapman back to Mexico so we can punish him as we see fit.

What? One of our citizens has committed a capital crime in your country and you want to punish him under your laws. You can’t do that, we have a Treaty. If he is not returned to us so that we may make him a national hero, then we will tell The Hague on you.

It has been well known for some time that our government has been attempting to send back Mexican convicts we are holding in our prisons. Mexico refuses to take them back. Why should this case be an exception?

FEFH

Mas Triste said...

BW,

Did you really just say "Soon there will come a day when a Mexican police chief uses waterboarding to secure a confession from an US American for a murder he did not commit" ?

No disrespect, but how long have you lived on the border?

In fact, police brutality in Mexico knows no nationality.

I do agree with the hypocracy point though.

Kurgan